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Posted: 8 years ago
@abhiya VM made the judgement on Maya seeing the glass breaking, taking part of pandit's prediction and Ashwin's words. She didnt look even for a second on other part. Neither remembered Maya's press conference, nor remembered the fact that this girl owns a company.
Today Saanjh got the same. Ramprasad made the judgement on what he saw of Saanjh and Arjun. Yes it was his judgement. Ria made the judgement based on Arjun's passing remark. That remark was told, he didnt mean it. But Ria gave different meaning to it. Dusky and Duffer didnt mean it when Dusky held Duffer close, but Ramprasad made his judgement.

We have to observe and make decision, not take what suits our imagination and make judgement and character assassination.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Yes, completely agree that everyone made their judgment based upon what it appeared. Vandana had a torturous death just to pay the price of her judgment and people supported it. Now does Ramprasad and Ria should die the same way as Vandana for their wrong judgment? Will people support it?
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Posted: 8 years ago
See if Saanjh or Ayan wants to kill Ramprasad and Ria for their statements it is their choice. But then dont tell Maya is only bad and mad. If they also behave like Maya there is no difference between her and them. Because it is human emotion to take revenge.
So if they need to show difference they need to show how Arjun, Saanjh and Ayan are dealing with people who are passing judgement based on what they saw. If they dont show difference then Maya will win.

Why did Saanjh want to burn diary. If it was a lie then why the need to burn it. That burning made the lie a truth.

Again in Ayan case what was the need to hide Samay. When Samay came his testimony favoured Maya.

So if you need to beat Maya be 100% truthful to yourself and without fear show actions that defeat Maya or perceptions. Then you are different from her.

The only language Maya doesnt know is the language of the heart, language of true love. She knows the language of brain very well. You cant win her there. Only language of heart can defeat her.
Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
@aekiel and @cute_girl everything you mentioned about maya happened before the wedding. BEFORE they got married. One thing was very clear. maya loved arjun and wanted him. Her saying to jhanvi that he has to come her only one day is evidence to that. She loved arjun beyhadh n she was going to make him her husband. Their love story isn't your normal story that goes through some cheesy problems and then they get married dramatically n ta-da...happy ending...the whole premise of the show since the first promo has been about them n their marriage n abt beyhadh pyaar. Maya is very possessive of arjun n she dsnt want to lose the one man who truly loved her...n she is weird bcuz of her past, she does things that are not normal, thats her character sketch. She does n says things that are not right n she has reasons but these other sane people lik VM n saanjh, they r normal right? they havnt had a traumatizing childhood experience on the contrary they had pretty happy lives. why do they behave so ridiculously?
that pandit also says that maya's love is without any limits n its also her weakness to control which she can evn go to the lengths of harming arjun's life however he also says that this same love can take their relation to the depths of the ocean n yet make it reach to the highest point in the sky if it is guided. what did VM do? she only heard the scary part of it but ignored his advice that she cant stoptheir wedding...that she cant do anything n arjun will have to do it himself...n so far i havent seen arjun do anything. n VM had gotten over the glass thing n agreed to the wedding for her son, but she listened to ashwin knowing full well wat all he did to maya,but the man who jus kidnapped you has meaning in his words but the woman who jus married ur son n has been trying to only be nice to you is the devil...👏 very nice.
Maya tried to genuinely be nice after killing ashwin, after the wedding was complete. After she decided to leave her past along with all her mistakes behind, becoming maya arjun sharma but did VM let her? after they got married she cudv atleast faked it for a while n seen if maya ws truly changing but no...this woman ddnt evn give her a chance.

n ram prasad n ria aren't going around calling arjun n saanjh names are they? they only spoke in court wen asked by law, but VM was doing that to maya wen all maya ws doin at the time ws being nice, even if it was pretend, she was trying. nd the vada-pav incident happened evn bfr maya proposed.
look at the timeline of things please 😊
Edited by AlexP927 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: AlexP927

@aekiel and @cute_girl everything you mentioned about maya happened before the wedding. BEFORE they got married. One thing was very clear. maya loved arjun and wanted him. Her saying to jhanvi that he has to come her only one day is evidence to that. She loved arjun beyhadh n she was going to make him her husband. Their love story isn't your normal story that goes through some cheesy problems and then they get married dramatically n ta-da...happy ending...the whole premise of the show since the first promo has been about them n their marriage n abt beyhadh pyaar. Maya is very possessive of arjun n she dsnt want to lose the one man who truly loved her...n she is weird bcuz of her past, she does things that are not normal, thats her character sketch. She does n says things that are not right n she has reasons but these other sane people lik VM n saanjh, they r normal right? they havnt had a traumatizing childhood experience on the contrary they had pretty happy lives. why do they behave so ridiculously?

that pandit also says that maya's love is without any limits n its also her weakness to control which she can evn go to the lengths of harming arjun's life however he also says that this same love can take their relation to the depths of the ocean n yet make it reach to the highest point in the sky if it is guided. what did VM do? she only heard the scary part of it but ignored his advice that she cant stoptheir wedding...that she cant do anything n arjun will have to do it himself...n so far i havent seen arjun do anything. n VM had gotten over the glass thing n agreed to the wedding for her son, but she listened to ashwin knowing full well wat all he did to maya,but the man who jus kidnapped you has meaning in his words but the woman who jus married ur son n has been trying to only be nice to you is the devil...👏 very nice.
Maya tried to genuinely be nice after killing ashwin, after the wedding was complete. After she decided to leave her past along with all her mistakes behind, becoming maya arjun sharma but did VM let her? after they got married she cudv atleast faked it for a while n seen if maya ws truly changing but no...this woman ddnt evn give her a chance.

n ram prasad n ria aren't going around calling arjun n saanjh names are they? they only spoke in court wen asked by law, but VM was doing that to maya wen all maya ws doin at the time ws being nice, even if it was pretend, she was trying. nd the vada-pav incident happened evn bfr maya proposed.
look at the timeline of things please 😊



It's also the Maya before the wedding that's got married to Arjun. Nobody's character can change in a day, it doesn't happen that way.

Her thought process pre the wedding indicated her potential path after it.

If someone you disliked were to suddenly act all goody goody with you, would you buy it immediately? Not, you wait and watch cautiously, and put in a test or two (if you can), to see the depth of the change.

Maya's process is simple- you agree to the way she wants things, or you're out of the way. There is no middle path. It's all about control, and I'd maintain that her "love" for Arjun wasn't love, but an obsession arising out of her need to control.

Personally, I don't believe the "whole she tried her best to get accepted, but VM didn't, so what could poor Maya do" bit. The whole MAS thing was an attempt from her side to portray herself as the victim in front of her husband, who would then proceed to automatically distance himself from his mother and brother, and she would then have him all to herself.

My reasons for it- no one in love seeks to destroy her husband's relationships. There was nothing that Ayaan did wrong in front of her in S1, but she chose to cut him off too. That doesn't sound like the attempt of someone who wants to be whole heartedly accepted, does it?

She knows VM wouldn't accept her immediately, so shouldn't be she have been prepared for a longer struggle for acceptance? That's why I said cursory efforts (Don't think it was a genuine effort, but let's give her the benefit of doubt) wouldn't be enough. Even when VM threw the garbage (a mistake I agree), that scene was preceded by Maya hurting herself using the door and portraying to Saanjh and Ayaan that VM did it.

Are those the signs of a person who genuinely wants to change? If she intended to change, it should've been a full blooded effort. Two days of effort doesn't erase 25 years of your past life- if you fall back into it so easily, it indicates the effort wasn't there in the first place- the desire wasn't there. Look at what she did to make Arjun hers- did she put the same effort in to get VM on her side?

Edited by aekiel - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

See if Saanjh or Ayan wants to kill Ramprasad and Ria for their statements it is their choice. But then dont tell Maya is only bad and mad. If they also behave like Maya there is no difference between her and them. Because it is human emotion to take revenge.

So if they need to show difference they need to show how Arjun, Saanjh and Ayan are dealing with people who are passing judgement based on what they saw. If they dont show difference then Maya will win.

Why did Saanjh want to burn diary. If it was a lie then why the need to burn it. That burning made the lie a truth.

Again in Ayan case what was the need to hide Samay. When Samay came his testimony favoured Maya.

So if you need to beat Maya be 100% truthful to yourself and without fear show actions that defeat Maya or perceptions. Then you are different from her.

The only language Maya doesnt know is the language of the heart, language of true love. She knows the language of brain very well. You cant win her there. Only language of heart can defeat her.



It's not Saanjh or Arjun's "choice" to kill Ramprasad and Ria. It's sin, evil. I won't support any of such act. The problem is people justifying Maya's act of killing Vanadana. It is pure evil and can't be justified.
Sanjh did a stupid act by trying to burn the diary but to err is humane. The same can be said about Samay incident but she did not broke up with Samay for speaking the truth in the court. This speaks volume about her character.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: aekiel


It's also the Maya before the wedding that's got married to Arjun. Nobody's character can change in a day, it doesn't happen that way.

Her thought process pre the wedding indicated her potential path after it.

If someone you disliked were to suddenly act all goody goody with you, would you buy it immediately? Not, you wait and watch cautiously, and put in a test or two (if you can), to see the depth of the change.

Maya's process is simple- you agree to the way she wants things, or you're out of the way. There is no middle path. It's all about control, and I'd maintain that her "love" for Arjun wasn't love, but an obsession arising out of her need to control.

She knows VM wouldn't accept her immediately, so shouldn't be she have been prepared for a longer struggle for acceptance? That's why I said cursory efforts (Don't think it was a genuine effort, but let's give her the benefit of doubt) wouldn't be enough. Even when VM threw the garbage (a mistake I agree), that scene was preceded by Maya hurting herself using the door and portraying to Saanjh and Ayaan that VM did it.


@bold - thats exactly wut i wud do. And i have a friend like that so yes i know. we had a big fight during junior high n thn she kept apologizing n tried to change her habit, she literally changed infront of me cuz of our fight not overnight like maya but she did eventually change. i took a while to get over our fight but i eventually did. n during that period of time, we still hung out together, though our meetings were awkward then, were totally good friends n nw shes in a different country pursuing her career in medicine. Point is, vandana could've at least given her a chance (n i said this in my reply to you as well)...she cudv atleast done wut u said...take it slow n cautiously..be the typical mean saas wudv been better than wut she did with maya then yes i too wud have said that vandana's death was also sad cuz despite giving maya a chancce maya killed her. but she didn't. And if you can believe in everything maya is confessing, why cant u believe wen she told VM that she genuinely tried to change. n i believe maya wudv changed had VM given her a chance. yes no one changes overnight but then again this is maya right? She can do anything for her beyhadh pyaar arjun evn if it is to pretend for a long time until she finally becomes like that. that garbage scene n maya banging her hand, wen did that happen. After maya gave VM that gold chain n threatened her to not force her to use her way. Basically the moment VM slapped her, the old maya was back. again please look at the timings of things.

No one is justifying maya's crimes. atleast i am not, im jus stating wats been shown on the show. Maya's very character sketch is to be that. She is a grey shaded character, she isnt supposed to do things the right way,honestly wen will people start seeing that. Her uniqueness and those unusaul quirks are the USP of the show thats why she keeps winning in the end, she is the main lead; despite almost losing to whoevr is against her whether its ashwin in s1 or samay in s2. she did almost lose its not like she kept winning straight without having her ups n downs. Don't you remember hw frustrated maya lovers n haters both got wen maya ws being all good bahu, no one liked it. she is the USP of the show. Also we can all agree, maya's thought process indicates she is unpredictable. i bet the earlier boss maya wudv never imagined that one day for arjun she wud try to kill her own mother for whom she jumped off a bridge. for whom she evn let rajiv use her body to make a deal to save the company she started wch allowed her to become rich n independent from ashwin. Maya is possessive n the only way she knows how to keep the people she loves close is to control. If she was the 'agree to me or i'll get you out of my way' why hasnt she killed saanjh yet, after all her insecurities begin from her. N no maya ddnt put samay in saanjh's life. samay himself said he used saanjh to get to maya, hw things happnd is still something the cvs have to explain but that part ws clear. or you can disagree since it is confusing the whole maya-samay thing, point is, saanjh is maya's biggest insecurity n she has never directly done anything to harm her, not the way she has gone after VM. Maya has done bad things n nothing can justify those acts BUT look at the why n the causes for those actions. besides, ask any writer who has a smart sociopath-like character, they themselves wdnt want an ending where dat main character is to end up in jail, u tell me honestly, wud you lik to see her sitting in a jail after all thats happened to her? after all she has done in the name of love? tell me maya killed people i wont argue. tell me she manipulates, i wont argue but wen u say things wch make these other characters actions okay nw thr i will disagree cuz they are the reasons she does wut she does.

besides we were all talking about why we dont feel bad for what maya did to VM, ( wen did this become a maya character discussion...lets avoid that please xD) n why I - for one - did not feel so sad abt her death unlike wen prem died. n the reasons i have mentioned already, so honestly lets just agree to disagree cuz no matter hw much we discuss abt VM-maya relation, we wont change our perspective on it so no point in further discussion on them.
Edited by AlexP927 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
it's really confusing how people choose to believe every confession of Maya but not wanted a chance from VM...
Believe everything or don't accept anything of her confession...isn't the way world sees Maya????

I am so surprised to see not even an ounce of remorse has been shown by saajun...still they r jux claiming Maya is trapping not reconginzing their mistakes .will they ever do??..still they believe that's friendship...


Shruti di,laska and Maya fans r jux perfect for me to catch up with the episodes...loved reading it



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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: abhiya23


Nobody would want a sociopath or chipku type bahu for their son in real life world. Just because you see somebody breaking glass, you made up your mind that she is evil, Judging somebody by one look or incidence is not morality. In that situation even Saanjh had done deeds which looks like obsession towards Arjun. Would you not believe your own instincts rather than believe somebody who has been torturing his own wife. Vandana had ignored the glass incidence after a while but how could she even believe Ashwin's words who has record of being an abuser.


Sorry to butt in but that's kinda what Vandy did too? Sure one indicent is taken out of context but as a mother she too had instincts which was then further supported by other ppls words? Then she experienced first hand Maya's manipulations and lost her sons, then ultimately her life. I feel vandy is one character who is judged for not liking Maya, but it was portrayed as V knowing that M was trouble and not. Good fit for her son?


And someone mentioned maya intentions to isolate Arjun from his family, and I concur. She always wanted Arjun to herself. Starting with killing her father so in way her fears wouldn't come in the way if her love. She wooukd have never been ok with Vandy or Ayaan and that's seen in the way mays dealt with them. This is the woman, who is a master manipulator but never bothered to manipulate any sittayions to show herself In a favourable light to Vandy. Almost as if why bother, since I don't want her in Arjun's life.




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Posted: 8 years ago
@Alex, unfortunately there is a massive step up between high school and real life, especially when the person you're dealing with can kill. High school friends may or may not be permanent, but real life DIL's are mostly permanent.

Re Samay coming into Saanjh's life, there is an interview of Piyush Sahdev where he clearly mentions that Maya has planted Samay in Saanjh's life.

Also, Samay's dialogues tend to exonerate Maya of any blame- remember his dialogue to Saanjh where he talks of Ashwin, and then steps short of mentioning that Maya killed him, and chooses to say that Ashwin died of a heart attack.

Also remember, the first time Maya meets Saanjh after the three year leap in the jewellery shop,, she mentions that Saanjh has been abroad all this while (which means she clearly keeps tabs on her whereabouts)

And you're putting the onus on Vandana to accept Maya, IMO there's more of an onus on Maya to prove she's worthy (it's not Vandana who wants to make Maya her bahu, it's Maya who wants to become Vandana's bahu), and you haven't quite answered my single question- did Maya make as much of an effort to integrate into the Sharmas as she did to get Arjun?

Lastly, Maya is aware of SaaJun's closeness (remember Arjun confronting her after she makes Saanjh wait and tore her prepared papers), a relationship that is symbiotic at best and parasitic at worst. For Arjun, Saanjh is peace- a quasi mother cum friend, if I had to term it. Inspite of it, she chooses to go for Arjun, despite knowing at the back of her mind, that Saanjh's love comes from a different place than hers, and the power Saanjh holds over Arjun, is perhaps stronger than her own. In her heart of hearts, she feels Arjun loves Saanjh, and that he only needs to realise it (the numerous entries in the diary indicate it), despite Arjun's many protests to the contrary. No sane person would've gone for Arjun in the first place.

Peace, and have a good day.😊

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