Anandi is truly an orphan - Page 5

Originally posted by: rohini55

BV has progressed to a point where no one cares for Anandi while she cares for all. Dadisa who proudly said A meant more to her than J, made a 180 degree turn once she heard J was in jail. She said I want my grandson, Mera Pota -- NOW, and nobody dare do a thing to him. She is prepared to take on the world for him, including Shiv's family, and she doesn't seem too bothered about A in all this.

Bhairon loved A. But his first love is now J. He is so proud of him, so determined to get him out that he doesn't even mention of A except tangentially when J said he didn't want to get her into trouble.

Ganga -- the worst of all: She called A, shed buckets of tears about her husband in jail, agonised about who will get him released etc. As for A's takleef, there was no more than one passing, casual reference. She put the phone down once A assured her that J will be out soon. Her worries sorted out, she was okay. Why care for Anandi?

Of A's sasural of course the less said the better -- the worst behaved currently being her husband. How can a husband who assured her everyday that he trusted her more than anyone else in the world, suddenly become so cold and indifferent?

The only one who ironically cares for her is J and he is going about it so god-awfully wrongly that he is messing up her life more than ever. Poor girl. She is truly an orphan -- except perhaps for some support from Minoo. But even the latter cannot back her openly.

And on top of it the whole forum curses her: She is expected to sacrifice her love, her family and support J who so cruelly left her for another woman. Talking of that I cannot for the life of me understand how A can feel so much affection for a man who was so completely mean and horrible to her and who threw her under the bus so he could lead a happy life.

But that is A. she will be cursed once again but she will walk into the court and give testimony in favour of J -- the same man who ruined her. The forum will take the whole thing matter-of-factly: Of course she has to do that. So what if she destroys her own life in the process?

Nice post friend. But why Anandi life will be destroyed. She suffered due to Jagiya when he was on wrong path, but althrough Anandi always supported what is correct and even when Shiv married her she clearly had her own identify in Jaitsar and established her ground.

I dont think A will suffer, Infact she will come out of this so wisely and Shiv and family will understand the situation very soon.

Originally posted by: rohini55

BV has progressed to a point where no one cares for Anandi while she cares for all. Dadisa who proudly said A meant more to her than J, made a 180 degree turn once she heard J was in jail. She said I want my grandson, Mera Pota -- NOW, and nobody dare do a thing to him. She is prepared to take on the world for him, including Shiv's family, and she doesn't seem too bothered about A in all this.

Bhairon loved A. But his first love is now J. He is so proud of him, so determined to get him out that he doesn't even mention of A except tangentially when J said he didn't want to get her into trouble.

Ganga -- the worst of all: She called A, shed buckets of tears about her husband in jail, agonised about who will get him released etc. As for A's takleef, there was no more than one passing, casual reference. She put the phone down once A assured her that J will be out soon. Her worries sorted out, she was okay. Why care for Anandi?

Of A's sasural of course the less said the better -- the worst behaved currently being her husband. How can a husband who assured her everyday that he trusted her more than anyone else in the world, suddenly become so cold and indifferent?

The only one who ironically cares for her is J and he is going about it so god-awfully wrongly that he is messing up her life more than ever. Poor girl. She is truly an orphan -- except perhaps for some support from Minoo. But even the latter cannot back her openly.

And on top of it the whole forum curses her: She is expected to sacrifice her love, her family and support J who so cruelly left her for another woman. Talking of that I cannot for the life of me understand how A can feel so much affection for a man who was so completely mean and horrible to her and who threw her under the bus so he could lead a happy life.

But that is A. she will be cursed once again but she will walk into the court and give testimony in favour of J -- the same man who ruined her. The forum will take the whole thing matter-of-factly: Of course she has to do that. So what if she destroys her own life in the process?

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Anandi is truly an orphan ...how ? Her parents were always very much alive , even now Khajan is alive ...besides biological family she got a whole set of godfatherly family who stood rock like behind her , educated her , willed financial assets to her , gave her a grand wedding and resettled her , lady who has 2 families to look out for her ...how is she an orphan ?

On the other hand Ganga's family is dead . Her sasural did not improve or protect her like godfather or godmother but abused her so much she fled . She was character assasinated by Ira, Alok and Sumitra simply coz she had no parents to fight back for her and come flying at them ...THAT is an orphan . She has nothing willed to her as a compensation for abuse in the past but has a vocation that someone guided her to learn so that she can earn her living herself like Chanda ...THAT is an orphan .

From one rich family Anandi goes in another rich family and does social work like hi fi ladies by roaming in cars , sits on financial assets willed by the previous godfather family but conveniently ditches them to the extent that she does not welcome or speak up for Bhairo and does not speak to them outside court and she is a poor orphan ? 😕

And how is Ganga comparable to this goddess in anyway ? Ganga had a totally different life and different form of abuse ! Rape ! Repeated rape ! What will she do when her husband is taken to another city on arrest , when his family does not speak to her , when the one giving her shelter is away ...laugh heehee haa haa and show teeth ? She is oh so justified to shed tears but she wipes them and works in hospital and EACH scene is dominated with Anandi and her tortoise walks and screwed up face with TEARS and Kanhaji monologues that STUN [ they r THAT stupid] and Ganga is the WORST of all ?

Then who is the BEST ? Anandi ?

And why in the world FOR ONCE will Bhairo not bother a bit about his son languishing in jail due to the cockamime story of a spoilt brat ? How is that not caring for Anandi ...where does Anandi even come into this ?😕

And how does telling her about the fact that her name was not taken and hinting that now its upto her is putting enormous pressure on her ? His son is in jail for gods sake ! And she really WAS there ! I say forget hinting he should BLUNTLY tell her to testify on son's behalf !

And lets get something straight here . Anandi will not 'SAVE' Jagya . Coz she CAN'T LIE under oath . Compulsorily she has to tell truth to save her own butt . She REALLY was there . Even Saanchi's Friends can't lie on oath . Jagya will be saved by TRUTH not Anandi the great .

How he treated her in the past does NOT give her a CHOICE to save or turn her back on him ...she CAN'T lie on oath . Lawyer will ask her , judge will look piercingly at her and she has to tell AS IT HAPPENED bas .

Thats all there is to it ...so lets not make it her personal mahaan deed . If she has guts she should LIE and see the repercussions coz if Saanchi's friends squeal and back up Jagya's version , she will be in LEGAL SOUP .

@koolsadhu

@ ansh AT, am sorry I do visit your abode from time to time. Sorry for that and sorry for drawing you into this conversation without your permission.

Originally posted by: rohini55

@koolsadhu

I did not use the word "orphan" in the literal, physical sense -- I thought that should have been apparent from the text of my post. I was talking about BH inmates abandoning her for the sake of the family's son/pota. I was talking about a husband, who swore she was everything to him, doing a 180 degree somersault. It was in this sense that I spoke of her being orphaned.

The symbolism of this loneliness was beautifully captured in yesterday's episode when she walked by herself to the court. She was ALONE, neither family really claimed her because each had a son or daughter whom they placed above Anandi.

As for Bhairon, my point was that the old Bhairon would have never been blind to his son's follies. He would have recognised the maang bharo drama as hasty and harmful to everyone -- which it has turned out to be. He would have agreed with J that Sa was not suitable for him or BH, but at the same emphasised that the MEANS cannot be compromised for the ENDS.

And old Bhairon would not have EBed A, even if very gently, into testifying for his son. What did he say? He said J's case had become hopeless because he did not disclose that you, Anandi, were present in the coffee house. Take this to its logical end and the only conclusion one can draw is that Bhairon wants A to tell in court that she was present with J and was witness to Sa's badmouthing of BH inmates

The old Bhairon would not have done this for two reasons. One he would know Anandi does not need to be coaxed into telling the truth. He would know A would tell the truth because that is her.

Secondly, he would know the consequences of asking A to testify. A's testimony = destruction of her relationship with her husband and sasra. So old Bhairon woul have never put his Anandi's life on line for the sake of son who may have reformed but was not above committing follies, including the major one of a hasty marriage with Ganga.

To me it seems as if the CVs wanted to reverse the earlier plot. J as Mahan in place of Shiv and Shiv as a grey character in place of J. They could not have done this with old Bhairon. So they made him illogically offer unconditional support to his son. They made him impervious to his son's mistakes. They made Shiv go out of his character,

And yes, if I were you I would not use words like A would have testified to "save her BUTT". A has never done anything to save her BUTT. The reverse in fact. In this case too, instead of saving her BUTT, she will land herself in trouble by testifying.

And you don't seem to have heard of perjury. It is a crime but it is done all the time. If it was the case that people under oath would only tell the truth in court then there would be no need for any trial to take place. The murderer would confess to his crime because he can't lie under oath and the case will be solved without going to trial.

So Anandi will speak the truth not to save her BUTT but because she is she.

And on Ganga, I criticised her using gentle words. I wish the same courtesy was given to Anandi who is attacked mercilessly. As I said, I'm spectacularly stunned by what is being demanded of her: that she destroy her life, her relationship with her husband for an ex who cruelly abandoned her, and who continues to cause her harm by his thoughtless actions. AMAZING! ,.

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What's this thing about "truth" saving Jagya and not Anandi? Wonder how truth will come out if Anandi does not wish to speak out. She has NO REASON to save this guy who leaves no stone unturned to push her into troubles over and over- before it was knowingly now it is thoughtlessly. Hope she stays quiet. Let truth come out by itself...say through wind or water or fire.

And you don't seem to have heard of perjury. It is a crime but it is done all the time. If it was the case that people under oath would only tell the truth in court then there would be no need for any trial to take place. The murderer would confess to his crime because he can't lie under oath and the case will be solved without going to trial. [/QUOTE

I don't think that a criminal needs to testify against himself and if he does not confess it does not constitute perjury. It is for the prosecution to establish that he did indeed commit the crime by posing leading questions to him which he needs to answer truthfully. The prosecution cannot ask him if he has committed the crime.

@anshurg @Alchemist

Originally posted by: rohini55

@anshurg @Alchemist

I wish Anandi would for once not be mahaan and be ordinary, and indeed selfish, as often demanded by her critics.. Because the law gives her the right not to testify. She has to present herself in court in response to summons but even God cannot force her to testify. So there is absolutely no question of her having to necessarily speak out to save her butt.

See the following: "The right to remain silent is a legal right recognised, explicitly or by convention, in many of the world's legal systems.

The right covers a number of issues centred around the right of the accused or the defendant to refuse to comment or provide an answer when questioned, either prior to or during legal proceedings in a court of law. This can be the right to avoid self-incrimination or the right to remain silent when questioned. The right usually includes the provision that adverse comments or inferences cannot be made by the judge or jury regarding the refusal by a defendant to answer questions before or during a trial, hearing or any other legal proceeding."

This applies to witnesses too. This is also the reason why narco tests and psycho analysis etc are not admissible in court.

Of course Bollywood and Tv-wood do not recognise all this. In any case, knowing Anandi she would testify.

Looking at the story too, I feel that the J- Shiv confrontation and A's testimony are all geared towards separating Ansh. If that is the goal, then she has to testify.

Rohini, the right against self incrimination does not apply to witness under Indian law.

" In India, the defendant has the right against self-incrimination, but witnesses are not given the same right."

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination

So Anandi will have to testify if called upon to do so and if she suppresses facts, she will be committing perjury. The woman brought this on herself. If only she had been more firm in dealing with Sanchi's frauds and exposed her for who she was both to the Singhs and the Shekars, much of this could have been avoided.