Stylish Saaheb & Super Stylish Bai Saaheb - Page 5

Originally posted by: bgargate

Dear Zuby and Sadhana,

Ahhh... Couldn't resist after reading such beautiful posts by both u ladies Smile

Specially the mention of Rathore-Rawte relationship ...

It reminded me of the beautiful scenes when they were together in the frame:

1. Rathore: Agar ye aadmi is team mein hai to mai is team ko lead nahi karunga

2. Rathore: Gadi mein baitho Rawte... udta hua teer mai khula nahi chhod sakta ...

3. Rathore: Phone baj raha hai tumhara, Rawte: sun sakta hoon mai

4. Rathore: ye dramatic entry maarna band karo, Rawte: main to sirf chai pee raha hoon, drama to ab shuru hoga

5. Rawte: kamaal hai... aajkal police walo ko public se zyada apni image ki fikar hone lagi hai, Rathore: ab bina maan-samman k har koi to nahi jee sakta na Rawte, aur waise bhi ye hunar kuch hi logo k paas hota hai

6. Rathore: is team ka chief hone k natey is team ki security ki zimmedari meri hai, Rawte: to aap meri zmmedari lena band kar dijiye SIR!!!

7. Rathore:Duty pasand - napasnd par depend nahi karti Rawte

8. Rathore: aur waise bhi duty ki wajah se humein kuch logo ke saath humesha rehna padta hai... chahe humein pasand ho .. ya nahi...

9.Rawte:Bas kya Rathore? Rathore: Nahi Rawte! abhi baaki hai

10. Rathore: laparwahi ki bhi hadd hoti hai Rawte... tumhari jaan bhi jaa sakti thi... Rawte: meri hadein to bahut pehle paar ho chuki hain Rathore ... aur meri jaan... wo to kab ki jaa chuki hai

11. Rathore: you r right Rawte !!!

12 Rathore: kuch log isliye nahi sotey hain kyunki unhe needn nahi aati aur kuch log isliye nahi sotey hain... khwabon ke darr se sona nahi chahtey...

And some scenes

In fake money plates episode, when the girl fires the gun at Arjun and Arjun dunks behind a car, Rathore first ran towards Arjun to check if he is fine, puts his hand on Arjun's shoulder and then runs behind the girl.

Ichchha Dhaari naagin episode, the looks they were giving to each other.

In both the scenes of "Laparwahi ki hadd" and "team ki security ki zimmedari" ... the concern in Rathore's eyes was at the personal level which caused that outburst.

Arjun twice saved Rathore from being killed.

And above all the Shraddh scene was something that actually opened another layer of their relationship.

And cant forget the flashback scenes... be it on beach having a cutting chai, or both the friends roaming around on a bike, trying to snatch each other's cell phones, giving high five, the phone conversation (favour maang raha hoon, u r a nice guy, tujhe kisne kaha ki muje nice guy samajhne ki galti karey) and the magical Rathore-Roshni-Arjun scene ... every bit of it was adorable

It was not just professional. These things had the personal touch.

Now coming to their overall equation...After observing them for so many episodes and latest revealation about Rathore having level 5 clearance, i too believe that Rathore knows a lot about sikandar, but for some reason he is hiding it from Arjun... may be he really thinks that Arjun was responsible directly or indirectly for Roshni's murder... or now he doesn't want Arjun to put his life in danger, Sik has already killed Roshni and now he doesnt want to lose Arjun... or may be he himself wants to avenge Roshni's death and doesn't want Arjun to do it (i still maintain that Rathore too was in Love with Roshni and believes that Arjun snatched her from him)

It could be anything...

But with sudden exit of Behzaad Khan, this entire track is missed

And I lost interest in the show

@carrie-Firstly, I cannot express how happy I was to see the term platonic relationship-the most underrated and unexplored emotion on Indian Tv(ok, to be fair its rare on World Tv as well😉). So even if the CVs are not able to take the lead's relationship on this path thanks to the ever-growing clamor for romance,I would appreciate if they at least added this depth in the R-R-R angle.

And secondly both u and Bhavna are increasing the pang of Behaad's absence by presenting a comprehensive list of his presence!!! The scene u mentioned was a class display of subtle acting. He was literally terrified at the prospect of Arjun in danger but how beautifully he tried to camouflage it with the nonchalant 'team's safety-my responsibility'. Another significant scene I am reminded of is the bank robbery on moving vehicle case,where Rathore corrects the boasting culprit that his men are surrounded by his officer and not the other way around. The confidence his voice had, could be the mark of a Chief,but the pride it carried- has to be of a friend.

And perhaps after the tragic incident-this faith of his had been shattered-that he had sent Roshini to the city's safest abode. He could have felt let down by Arjun's inability to somehow..anyhow..prevent a tragedy which cost all of them much more than they could have imagined. This is the irony hidden in layers in the show-which peeps in whenever they show the heart wrenching visuals of her death-that even THE Arjun Rawte could be overpowered and made to lie bleeding-a mute spectator to his nightmare being actualized. And for Rathore this may be the most bitter truth to accept- Rawte's fate symbolizing the vulnerability of all in their profession.

Originally posted by: Sadhana_pr

@carrie-Firstly, I cannot express how happy I was to see the term platonic relationship-the most underrated and unexplored emotion on Indian Tv(ok, to be fair its rare on World Tv as well😉). So even if the CVs are not able to take the lead's relationship on this path thanks to the ever-growing clamor for romance,I would appreciate if they at least added this depth in the R-R-R angle.

And secondly both u and Bhavna are increasing the pang of Behaad's absence by presenting a comprehensive list of his presence!!! The scene u mentioned was a class display of subtle acting. He was literally terrified at the prospect of Arjun in danger but how beautifully he tried to camouflage it with the nonchalant 'team's safety-my responsibility'. Another significant scene I am reminded of is the bank robbery on moving vehicle case,where Rathore corrects the boasting culprit that his men are surrounded by his officer and not the other way around. The confidence his voice had, could be the mark of a Chief,but the pride it carried- has to be of a friend.

And perhaps after the tragic incident-this faith of his had been shattered-that he had sent Roshini to the city's safest abode. He could have felt let down by Arjun's inability to somehow..anyhow..prevent a tragedy which cost all of them much more than they could have imagined. This is the irony hidden in layers in the show-which peeps in whenever they show the heart wrenching visuals of her death-that even THE Arjun Rawte could be overpowered and made to lie bleeding-a mute spectator to his nightmare being actualized. And for Rathore this may be the most bitter truth to accept- Rawte's fate symbolizing the vulnerability of all in their profession.

Chances of answers are scarce,so we answer our own questions here😛
I too sense that Rathore might have a hidden layer of guilt-after all whatever be the cause of Roshini's exit,her entry into Arjun's life was through him. And he maybe partly responsible for her fate-the beginning of her end.

About his lashing out so much-I think its his frustation at not being able to do anything so prevent both his friend's world from crashing down. We shouldn't forget that Rathore may not have witnessed Roshin's death, but he is the only one to witness Arjun's loss of life. He is the only one who has seen the man in his glory days so only he can understand the impact of the tragedy..the magnitude of the effect...comparing his shadow to his former self. It must be difficult to see your once soaring friend as a walking wreckage now.

And about the 'spirited girl',you are opening up my tight-lipped stance😉. Now, I have seen numerous debates on this very forum about how her tragedy matches his. I cannot comment on that because there exists no scale of tragedy where we can measure and rank tragedies. Yes, her story with an ailing father deserves respect and dignity,which I am ready to give. But just because she has witnessed pain in her life does not mean that she has a degree in Masters of Tragedy. So, her smiling through the ordeals is commendable, but that in no way gives her the right to preach about the same to Arjun. That belittles his pain and her character.

I in no way want to compare their tragedies- but this simple exercise can make it evident.

If you are asked to graph her character on paper-you can reason along the following lines-A feisty girl who has a near-dead father,but she refuses to bow down to adversity and hides her pain with an over jubilant personality...-Check-Locked.

Now do the same with Arjun-

A super cop-who sees his life being ripped apart in front of his eyes,lives with the guilt of his abilities betraying him at the crucial time, his friend abandoning him,his sleep leaving his eyes,his nemesis haunting him..BUT he decides to meet life with a smile. Wear good clothes,flash a charming grin,enjoy his work,laugh and joke, revenge is still his agenda..but lets make it a cheerful revenge!

Can this be checked and locked? Pass it on paper first and then expect it on screen!

So it would help this brave-hearted women if her character reflected some depth which usually pain bestows us with. Its not her cheerfulness which is jarring,its her frivolity in her interactions with Arjun. I would be obliged if she understood-Yes dear, I have been lucky that I could adapt and find solace in spreading happiness. But sitting right beside me is a disillusioned and distraught soul who was not even offered this straw to clutch on by his cruel fate. I cannot comprehend his grief,so the least I can do is respect it.

Originally posted by: Sadhana_pr

Chances of answers are scarce,so we answer our own questions here😛
I too sense that Rathore might have a hidden layer of guilt-after all whatever be the cause of Roshini's exit,her entry into Arjun's life was through him. And he maybe partly responsible for her fate-the beginning of her end.

About his lashing out so much-I think its his frustation at not being able to do anything so prevent both his friend's world from crashing down. We shouldn't forget that Rathore may not have witnessed Roshin's death, but he is the only one to witness Arjun's loss of life. He is the only one who has seen the man in his glory days so only he can understand the impact of the tragedy..the magnitude of the effect...comparing his shadow to his former self. It must be difficult to see your once soaring friend as a walking wreckage now.

A thought there.It may be like he is shaking him to jerk him out of the apathy & rage he has drowned himself in.A lot of what he says hides an appeal to his old & well loved friend to try & live life again instead of chasing shadows. Roshni is beyond his or any one's reach he can't bring her back.The one thing he thinks he must do is to somehow prevent his other friend to go over too.That also may be the reason why he had kept a crucial lead out of Arjun's reach.They bring a horde of criminals to justice every day of their life & Arjun is in one piece at the end of every one those days. Rathore badly wants Arjun to remain in one piece after they cop Sikander too.

And about the 'spirited girl',you are opening up my tight-lipped stance😉. Now, I have seen numerous debates on this very forum about how her tragedy matches his. I cannot comment on that because there exists no scale of tragedy where we can measure and rank tragedies. Yes, her story with an ailing father deserves respect and dignity,which I am ready to give. But just because she has witnessed pain in her life does not mean that she has a degree in Masters of Tragedy. So, her smiling through the ordeals is commendable, but that in no way gives her the right to preach about the same to Arjun. That belittles his pain and her character.

😆 My statement was more in regard to the interpretations & inferences people had drawn from what was shown in the story at that point in time.Of course a loss of parent is most traumatic but here the parent is not lost so much that he cant come back like with Roshni. There is still hope for him.He is still breathing & maybe he can still sense his daughter around him.Its the magnitude of pain & heartbreak that is in question here. Hard as it may be to digest especially if its one's parents, comatose elderly person & death of a young woman mercilessly butchered while celebrating the first anniversary of her wedding is vastly different.The trauma in the latter is exquisite.You just cannot paste a smile over it & "live life" just because others find it uncomfortable to be around a grieving person.

But since the creatives have toned down this aspect of the character in the past couple of months nothing in depth need be discussed more😳

I in no way want to compare their tragedies- but this simple exercise can make it evident.

If you are asked to graph her character on paper-you can reason along the following lines-A feisty girl who has a near-dead father,but she refuses to bow down to adversity and hides her pain with an over jubilant personality...-Check-Locked.

Now do the same with Arjun-

A super cop-who sees his life being ripped apart in front of his eyes,lives with the guilt of his abilities betraying him at the crucial time, his friend abandoning him,his sleep leaving his eyes,his nemesis haunting him..BUT he decides to meet life with a smile. Wear good clothes,flash a charming grin,enjoy his work,laugh and joke, revenge is still his agenda..but lets make it a cheerful revenge!

Can this be checked and locked? Pass it on paper first and then expect it on screen!

Simply loved this analogy!👍🏼

So it would help this brave-hearted women if her character reflected some depth which usually pain bestows us with. Its not her cheerfulness which is jarring,its her frivolity in her interactions with Arjun. I would be obliged if she understood-Yes dear, I have been lucky that I could adapt and find solace in spreading happiness. But sitting right beside me is a disillusioned and distraught soul who was not even offered this straw to clutch on by his cruel fate. I cannot comprehend his grief,so the least I can do is respect it.

Originally posted by: Sadhana_pr

@carrie-Firstly, I cannot express how happy I was to see the term platonic relationship-the most underrated and unexplored emotion on Indian Tv(ok, to be fair its rare on World Tv as well😉). So even if the CVs are not able to take the lead's relationship on this path thanks to the ever-growing clamor for romance,I would appreciate if they at least added this depth in the R-R-R angle.

And secondly both u and Bhavna are increasing the pang of Behaad's absence by presenting a comprehensive list of his presence!!! The scene u mentioned was a class display of subtle acting. He was literally terrified at the prospect of Arjun in danger but how beautifully he tried to camouflage it with the nonchalant 'team's safety-my responsibility'. Another significant scene I am reminded of is the bank robbery on moving vehicle case,where Rathore corrects the boasting culprit that his men are surrounded by his officer and not the other way around. The confidence his voice had, could be the mark of a Chief,but the pride it carried- has to be of a friend.

And perhaps after the tragic incident-this faith of his had been shattered-that he had sent Roshini to the city's safest abode. He could have felt let down by Arjun's inability to somehow..anyhow..prevent a tragedy which cost all of them much more than they could have imagined. This is the irony hidden in layers in the show-which peeps in whenever they show the heart wrenching visuals of her death-that even THE Arjun Rawte could be overpowered and made to lie bleeding-a mute spectator to his nightmare being actualized. And for Rathore this may be the most bitter truth to accept- Rawte's fate symbolizing the vulnerability of all in their profession.

Originally posted by: Sadhana_pr

Chances of answers are scarce,so we answer our own questions here😛
I too sense that Rathore might have a hidden layer of guilt-after all whatever be the cause of Roshini's exit,her entry into Arjun's life was through him. And he maybe partly responsible for her fate-the beginning of her end. - This touched me... true...

About his lashing out so much-I think its his frustation at not being able to do anything so prevent both his friend's world from crashing down. We shouldn't forget that Rathore may not have witnessed Roshin's death, but he is the only one to witness Arjun's loss of life. He is the only one who has seen the man in his glory days so only he can understand the impact of the tragedy..the magnitude of the effect...comparing his shadow to his former self. It must be difficult to see your once soaring friend as a walking wreckage now.

This is what I have been observing for long. In 50th episode it was explicitly mentioned for the first time that they were best friends in past with the flashback scene, but I had this feeling since the "Kalki Devi missing" episode that they must be best friends who share a tragic past

And about the 'spirited girl',you are opening up my tight-lipped stance😉. Now, I have seen numerous debates on this very forum about how her tragedy matches his. I cannot comment on that because there exists no scale of tragedy where we can measure and rank tragedies. Yes, her story with an ailing father deserves respect and dignity,which I am ready to give. But just because she has witnessed pain in her life does not mean that she has a degree in Masters of Tragedy. So, her smiling through the ordeals is commendable, but that in no way gives her the right to preach about the same to Arjun. That belittles his pain and her character.

I in no way want to compare their tragedies- but this simple exercise can make it evident.

Lips sealed. Done with my ranting and bashed enough for this

If you are asked to graph her character on paper-you can reason along the following lines-A feisty girl who has a near-dead father,but she refuses to bow down to adversity and hides her pain with an over jubilant personality...-Check-Locked.

Now do the same with Arjun-

A super cop-who sees his life being ripped apart in front of his eyes,lives with the guilt of his abilities betraying him at the crucial time, his friend abandoning him,his sleep leaving his eyes,his nemesis haunting him..BUT he decides to meet life with a smile. Wear good clothes,flash a charming grin,enjoy his work,laugh and joke, revenge is still his agenda..but lets make it a cheerful revenge!

Add a brutally slashed tattoo of his beloved wife's name on his forearm which he hides from the world using a bandage but for him its always visible in his mind.

Can this be checked and locked? Pass it on paper first and then expect it on screen!

Me and Zuby are actually done with a similar kind of exercise long back and our views were taken negatively and we were termed to be insensitive towards a brave hearted girl.

So it would help this brave-hearted women if her character reflected some depth which usually pain bestows us with. Its not her cheerfulness which is jarring,its her frivolity in her interactions with Arjun. I would be obliged if she understood-Yes dear, I have been lucky that I could adapt and find solace in spreading happiness. But sitting right beside me is a disillusioned and distraught soul who was not even offered this straw to clutch on by his cruel fate. I cannot comprehend his grief,so the least I can do is respect it.

Hope creative team of the show is thinking on same lines

Originally posted by: bgargate